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One Dad Says: College is a Bad Investment
The New York Post via Yellowbrix
November 03, 2009
Somehow I went wrong as a father – the other day my two daughters informed me they eventually want to go to college. I said, “No way!” and they attempted to argue with me.
I have no problem with them talking back to me but somehow they’ve been brainwashed by society into thinking that college is a good thing for intelligent, ambitious young people to do. Let’s look at the basic facts about higher education.
The average tuition cost is approximately $26,000 per year – including $10,000 in living costs, books, etc. – or roughly $104,000 for a four-year program. Some people choose to go to more expensive private colleges and some people choose to go to cheaper public schools, but this is an average. Also, a huge assumption is that it’s just for four years. According to the Department of Education, only 54 percent of undergraduates get their diploma within six years.
So for the 46 percent that don’t graduate – or take 10 years to graduate – this is a horrible investment. But let’s assume your children are in the brilliant first half who finish within six years – and hopefully within four. Is it worth it? First, let’s look at it from a purely monetary perspective.
Over the course of an individual’s lifetime, according to the College Board, a college graduate can be expected to earn $800,000 more than his counterpart that didn’t go to college – $800,000 is a big spread, and could potentially separate the haves from the have- nots.
But who has and who doesn’t? If I took that $104,000 and invested it in a savings account that had an annual interest income of 5 percent I’d end up with an extra $1.4 million over a 50-year period – $600,000 more then a sheepskin-toting peer. That $600,000 is a lot of extra money an 18-year-old could look forward to in her retirement. I also think the $800,000 quoted above is too high.
Right now most motivated kids who have the interest and resources to go to college think it’s the only way to go if they want a good job. If those same kids decided to not go to college my guess is they would quickly close the gap on that $800,000 spread.

AmandaW768
about 6 hours ago
While I don't feel like doing the math, the serious flaw here is assuming every student in college is spending all "four years" at a four year college. While I'm one of those who it is going to take a grand total of 6 years to graduate, I started a community college, and even then I had tuition waivers. If someone has $104K to plop down on their education up front, well maybe they should invest it, but my parents never gave me the money for college, nor did I have it, and I'm still a junior somehow.
BradleyS124
about 8 hours ago
There are some serious flaws with this argument! First of all, who has $104,000 to invest in a 50 year annuity when they are 18 years old? He's right, if you have that kind of money before going to college, you probably don't need to go to college because you obviously have some other wonderful way of earning money (or it's just been handed to you). Second, assuming you actually have the cash lying around, almost all the figures he is using are off. An investment of $104,000 earning 5% compounded annually will be worth $1,192,609.58 in 50 years ($104,000 X 1.05^50), not $1.4 million. However, this is a moot point, because who wants to retire at age 68 (assuming you are 18 upon graduation from high school plus the 50 year annuity)? The more practical number to use would be 47, allowing you to retire at age 65. These 3 years shave off $162,388.59 from the investment bringing it to $1,030,220.99 ($104,000 X 1.05^47). In terms of how much more college students earn compared to those people without a degree, according to recent U.S. Census Bureau reports, studies show that workers with a high school degree earned an average of $31,286 in 2007, while those with a bachelor's degree earned an average of $57,181. That is $25,895 more. When multiplied times 43 (number of working years after college until age 65 assuming you graduate college at age 22) the difference comes out to be $1,113,485. Look at that, the numbers work out in favor of college graduates who would earn about $83,264.01 more over their working years.
Of course, this assumes that his original calculation of $104,000 for the degree is accurate, which it is not. He includes $10,000 of living costs in his calculation. However, whether you go to college or not, these costs are going to be incurred (you have to live, right?). Whether you pay the college for room and board, or you pay the landlord and the grocery store, you are still going to have living expenses. This thrusts the argument for a college degree way ahead of not having one. In addition, getting a cheaper degree, for instance from a state school where tuition may only be about $10,000 per year, further advances the argument. Many people are also able to reduce the cost of attending college through scholarships.
Another thing he is not considering is the fact that many jobs are not even available to people who do not have an undergraduate degree. Using the above figures for workers with a high school degree, you would have to find a job that pays about $15/hour. Most jobs that pay this rate that are available to high school graduates are labor intensive (electrician, plumber, carpenter, etc.) Many people would rather work with their heads than their hands, or get into positions that have a higher impact on the world. Moreover, as other people have pointed out, college is a learning institution. You come out the other end with a better idea of how the world works. You are hopefully a more intelligent, well-rounded person, allowing you to make better decisions in life and speak intelligently about relevant current issues. College is most definitely a feasible, logical option for high school graduates. DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS GUY!
MasterMatt91
about 12 hours ago
I don't usually respond to these types of articles but this one caught my eye and in my opinion this subject is completely relative. First off college is a choice not an obligation, so its important to consider why you want to go to college just as you would consider why you would choose to marry someone. Colleges are institutions of learning so if you have no interest in learning college would be a terrible investment and it would be much smarter to just work. It's not written in blood that you cant change your mind later. On the other hand if you happen to be passionate about learning, be it a specific subject or a range of possibilities, then college is without a doubt a smart investment. I'm not saying this guy is right or wrong, but I do feel his input stimulated enough conversation to get people thinking critically about what decisions they make in the future. Even so I don't support his decision to discount college as an option to his daughters, if they want to go to college for the right reasons I personally guarantee that they won't regret it. Also if I may offer some friendly advice to not only this guy but other parents out there, before you send your kid to college talk to them about why they're going as a parent you'll be able to tell if they're ready or not.
MerylM12
1 day ago
Here is the question people who believe this guy need to ask their parents. Hey mom and dad can I have $104,000 to put into a bank account while I work my way up to a mid level job in retail?
Raptor923
2 days ago
Hello... I don't know if you realize that this article ended up on a scholarship website... If your kids are smart enough and get a full ride... Poof, no more problems. If one doesn't get a college degree in today's world, intelligence goes to waste. It isn't brought to it's full potential. Today, one could be left stranded on the side with nowhere to go without a degree to give proof to one's intelligence.
leftnwrite08
3 days ago
To those who ask what kind of father he is, here's a hint: He's a father who "holds a bachelor's degree from Cornell and was a doctoral candidate at Carnegie Mellon University." He is a father who is "the managing director of Formula Capital, an asset management firm and fund of hedge funds," who has "written four books on investing: Trade Like a Hedge Fund, Trade Like Warren Buffett, SuperCash, and The Forever Portfolio and is currently at work on a fifth, tentatively titled, 25 Ways the World Could Be Destroyed And How to Profit from It." He is a father who "currently writes for The Wall Street Journal and AOL Finance." He is, in perhaps the simplest terms, a father who relies on his college degree to enable himself to be listened to, telling the rest of us why a college degree is unnecessary. If nobody else sees the sad humor in that, here is his response to a comment on the original article when someone confronted the fact that he himself benefited from a college degree ... "Well, its because I went to college I realize what it waste it was. I've never used anything I learned on those campuses. And in terms of the public loans - that's my point. Its just too expensive for kids to go to school these days (incidentally, by the time I was no longer in school I had $40k in debt which took years to pay off). And yes, businesses have a high failure rate. That's the point: learn from the school of real life while you're still young enough to really benefit from it. Get a head start."
RandyL122
4 days ago
I wonder how many of those who dismiss this idea out of hand are real, bill-paying adults. I can say that while I got a good education, and it's served me fairly well, I would have made a lot more money and had a lot less hassle as an electrician.
When people start talking about "broadened horizons" it sounds like a sure sign to me that they're living in a fantasy world. But hey, the sex was great!
LaureineG
4 days ago
Ok...so this dude is definatley screwed up.
sugarmags
5 days ago
I mean, if you're passionate about deep-frying french fries, this is the article for you. Otherwise without a college degree you're probably not going to get your dream job. To me at least, a job isn't all about money. A better education gives you a better chance to make a positive impact in the world. Judging by how salty this dude looks, authoring overcritical articles is not his gig.
SruthiB
6 days ago
this is ridiculous college is a fantastic oppurtunity for students to meet new people, engage in things that they haven't been exposed to before, study abroad, etc. etc. a price tag should be the least of all reasons for why students should forgo college. College does not have to be seen as a required stepping stone for a victorious career, however it should certainly be seen as an experience of a lifetime. An example of how monetary setbacks are baloney is that of a professor currently teaching at Temple Univ. He was the first in his family to attend college, infact his family completely discouraged him from going for the same reasons told above in this article, however he persisted and - as poor of a man he is, he cleaned bathrooms for a living all through his higher education, he graduated with a ph.d with $484 in debt. This only goes to show that - although one need not clean bathrooms to go to college - anyone can attend as long as they have the conviction. I personally think it is an investment of a lifetime that should not be thrown aside - especially if one is given the oppurtunity to attend.
VillyCarl
6 days ago
I don't know what your background is, but if your girls want anything beyond either a low paying blue collar job working in some factory maybe, or perhaps a secretarial job or something of that nature they need more education. I know, I have been there! I did not finish college when I was young, and have regretted it ever since! I have a high IQ, and had nowhere to use my brains. Unfortunately I got married before finishing college, and there went future schooling. I entered the Navy Nuclear Power Program and Finished very near the top of my class (9th from the top out of 400) from a group of individuals that about 60% of Nave personnel could not even get into academically. What did it get me? Physically hard, stressful work, that was very boring. Now, as a Vietnam Vet, i am finally getting the chance to get back to college, and I am grabbing it with both fists and clinging for dear life! My choices are not to go to school, and scrape by until retirement at the poverty level, then after live on about 12K per year, or get my degree and work at a good pay rate doing work I expect to enjoy, gladly working past 65, perhaps with reduced hours until I am ready to take of my harness. Is college worth it? Get into something you like and enjoy, do well and it will help find jobs, even in a poor economy. Choose your career wisely, and it will pay in $ and satisfaction --> a longer happier life!
smithjb1
8 days ago
I work at Burger King. A college education won't save you from flipping burgers now; some college students become managers at fast food stores. Now I'm pretty sure you can become a manager without going to college but it probably happens that the people who make good managers are people who have also gone to college. I could argue a modified position and say that perhaps a college education gives you a means for success, but it does not ensure success. It's what you do with your education that counts. If you go to college and know what degree you'll earn and what you'll do with it (chemical engineering, in my case, which you CANNOT DO without a college education), you can probably make a good return on your investment. If you go to college undecided, just to "find yourself," you might not see that return. So if you're going to use your degree, earn one; if not, don't.
MatthewK55
8 days ago
Where did the Dad get the 100K to invest? Where is an uneducated 18 year old going to get the initial investment? They have to get training. That comes with a price tag regardless of the level achieved. It cost money to make money, plus who would actively choose to flip burgers to invest the money and never get to use it for 50 years? The value of an education is that you become skilled in a field of interest. For many the money is secondary.
mpino5
9 days ago
This dad is pretty ignorant if he truly believes this. It doesn't matter if you go for a BS in XYZ or a BA in DEF, the point is to open your horizons and to connect with others. If you do what you love then the money will be in second place from anything else. I dont know about you but I could NEVER love to flip burgers. I'm headed to med school!
WolfOfKhaos
9 days ago
Just saying, McDonald's won't even hire you if you don't have a HIGH SCHOOL diploma. Unless you're very lucky, you won't have any other job either, if you don't graduate college. Years ago, people could still get jobs without a high school diploma. Now, they can't. You need to go to college in order to have a decent job- if you're okay with making minimum wage all your life, or are extremely lucky, I guess you don't really need to go to college. Good luck with that, though.